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		<title>By: When will I be able to tweak my ice cream like my PC gaming graphics? &#124; Bob Caswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>When will I be able to tweak my ice cream like my PC gaming graphics? &#124; Bob Caswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] / isotropic filtering, etc. In the end, my gaming experience is custom tailored to my criteria (though arguably more expensive, just like custom-made ice cream would likely be more expensive than the pre-made [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] / isotropic filtering, etc. In the end, my gaming experience is custom tailored to my criteria (though arguably more expensive, just like custom-made ice cream would likely be more expensive than the pre-made [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nulls108</title>
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		<dc:creator>nulls108</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing . really good info&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Best regards&lt;br&gt;John&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://xtonlinegame.com/&quot; title=&quot;free online game&quot;&gt;free online game&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing . really good info</p>
<p>Best regards<br />John<br /><a href="http://xtonlinegame.com/" title="free online game">free online game</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing . really good info

Best regards
John
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing . really good info</p>
<p>Best regards<br />
John<br />
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		<title>By: Console Gaming: From the PC Gamer Perspective &#124; Bob Caswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Console Gaming: From the PC Gamer Perspective &#124; Bob Caswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I still stand by my previous posts &#8220;PC Gaming Is For Fools, But I Still Love It&#8221; and &#8220;PC Gaming Is Expensive and a Hassle, But I’m Lovin’ It.&#8221;   Share These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I still stand by my previous posts &#8220;PC Gaming Is For Fools, But I Still Love It&#8221; and &#8220;PC Gaming Is Expensive and a Hassle, But I’m Lovin’ It.&#8221;   Share These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: PC Gaming Is Expensive and a Hassle, But I&#8217;m Lovin&#8217; It &#124; TechConsumer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PC Gaming Is Expensive and a Hassle, But I&#8217;m Lovin&#8217; It &#124; TechConsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob Caswell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Match Made In Heaven: Netflix on the Xbox 360</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Caswell &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Match Made In Heaven: Netflix on the Xbox 360</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Back in February, I titled a post &#8220;Dear Microsoft: Get Netflix on the Xbox 360 and I’ll Buy One.&#8221; True to my word, today I ordered an Xbox 360 following the latest announcement. I&#8217;m a huge fan of Netflix and have always had an interest in getting an Xbox 360 (even though I&#8217;m more of a PC gamer). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Back in February, I titled a post &#8220;Dear Microsoft: Get Netflix on the Xbox 360 and I’ll Buy One.&#8221; True to my word, today I ordered an Xbox 360 following the latest announcement. I&#8217;m a huge fan of Netflix and have always had an interest in getting an Xbox 360 (even though I&#8217;m more of a PC gamer). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Caswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Caswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>S.G.-

Great comment, thanks for sharing!</description>
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<p>Great comment, thanks for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: S.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 03:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob, I&#039;d say that you are entirely correct. When PC gaming works, it&#039;ll be a better and more addicting experience than a console. But that&#039;s not really a good thing unless you are a hardcore gamer. I like stuff in moderation, a console is great for that. And you gotta admit that nothing beats sitting around on a couch with a few friends playing a split screen game. It&#039;s a real fun and social experience, I&#039;ve had plenty of good memories.

I think PC gaming is indeed going down. I grew up solely on the PC, so the nostalgic aspect has been my main problem with switching to consoles. But at the same time I also grew up playing Nintendo with others, so it really isn&#039;t that foreign.

There&#039;s something really elegant about a console and the way it just works that I like about it. Kind of like vinyl records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob, I&#8217;d say that you are entirely correct. When PC gaming works, it&#8217;ll be a better and more addicting experience than a console. But that&#8217;s not really a good thing unless you are a hardcore gamer. I like stuff in moderation, a console is great for that. And you gotta admit that nothing beats sitting around on a couch with a few friends playing a split screen game. It&#8217;s a real fun and social experience, I&#8217;ve had plenty of good memories.</p>
<p>I think PC gaming is indeed going down. I grew up solely on the PC, so the nostalgic aspect has been my main problem with switching to consoles. But at the same time I also grew up playing Nintendo with others, so it really isn&#8217;t that foreign.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s something really elegant about a console and the way it just works that I like about it. Kind of like vinyl records.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually there aren’t any cards with more then 32 pixel pipelines currently on the market. The reason is because there is a newer technology and it is now measured as &#039;Streaming Processors&#039; The X360 is already behind in technology.&quot;

Stream Processors is just the name that they have started to use for a unified shader architecture, of which the Xbox 360 Xenos was the first GPU to have. On the Xenos they aren&#039;t &quot;pixel pipelines&quot;; I said &quot;shader units&quot;.

See this Wikipedia entry. &quot;The R600 uses 64 superscalar unified shader clusters, each consisting of 5 stream processing units for a total of 320 stream processing units.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600#Unified_shaders&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;)
Another Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600#Radeon_HD_3800

&quot;no “Techconsumer” will be buying a pre-built computer.&quot;

Really? What if you just want to game without having to build your own system? Did you build your own car? How about your furniture? You know with some training you could learn how to build them yourself. Some people (even PC gamers) may have things they&#039;d rather do with their time than build their computer.

It is a cop  out to say that it would be dumb to use a pre-built computer. The fact that pre-built systems cost more (although if you read the article they said it was only ~$150 more than they could build it for) is a perfectly salient aspect to a discussion of how PC gaming is more expensive.

Lastly, &quot;And as I have already pointed out time and time again, Over time PC’s are more cost effective then consoles&quot;.

Well, you have said that, but you haven&#039;t proved it. I am the only one who has done a real financial analysis of this. I decided to run one more scenario. Only one computer over 7 years, video card replaced every 2 for $250, and I took out the anti-virus costs because you could use AVG Free. I also fixed the Xbox 360 so it is the list price from when it came out $400 (vs $350). The results (NPV): Xbox 360 = $1,804, PC = $2873. So &lt;b&gt;it is still $1,000 more expensive&lt;/b&gt;. Keep in mind that this is includes games (for both systems) over the 7 years.

So even with your scenario it is way more expensive. And I even assumed that a PC would last 7 years &lt;b&gt;with only video card upgrades&lt;/b&gt;; which is impossible. Face it, even over time it is not cheaper. The reason why is that the initial purchase price is a lot higher than the console, and a $250 video card costs as much as a console (Wii or almost an Xbox 360 Arcade) and you keep buying it over and over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually there aren’t any cards with more then 32 pixel pipelines currently on the market. The reason is because there is a newer technology and it is now measured as &#8216;Streaming Processors&#8217; The X360 is already behind in technology.&#8221;</p>
<p>Stream Processors is just the name that they have started to use for a unified shader architecture, of which the Xbox 360 Xenos was the first GPU to have. On the Xenos they aren&#8217;t &#8220;pixel pipelines&#8221;; I said &#8220;shader units&#8221;.</p>
<p>See this Wikipedia entry. &#8220;The R600 uses 64 superscalar unified shader clusters, each consisting of 5 stream processing units for a total of 320 stream processing units.&#8221; (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600#Unified_shaders" rel="nofollow">link</a>)<br />
Another Link: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600#Radeon_HD_3800" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600#Radeon_HD_3800</a></p>
<p>&#8220;no “Techconsumer” will be buying a pre-built computer.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? What if you just want to game without having to build your own system? Did you build your own car? How about your furniture? You know with some training you could learn how to build them yourself. Some people (even PC gamers) may have things they&#8217;d rather do with their time than build their computer.</p>
<p>It is a cop  out to say that it would be dumb to use a pre-built computer. The fact that pre-built systems cost more (although if you read the article they said it was only ~$150 more than they could build it for) is a perfectly salient aspect to a discussion of how PC gaming is more expensive.</p>
<p>Lastly, &#8220;And as I have already pointed out time and time again, Over time PC’s are more cost effective then consoles&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, you have said that, but you haven&#8217;t proved it. I am the only one who has done a real financial analysis of this. I decided to run one more scenario. Only one computer over 7 years, video card replaced every 2 for $250, and I took out the anti-virus costs because you could use AVG Free. I also fixed the Xbox 360 so it is the list price from when it came out $400 (vs $350). The results (NPV): Xbox 360 = $1,804, PC = $2873. So <b>it is still $1,000 more expensive</b>. Keep in mind that this is includes games (for both systems) over the 7 years.</p>
<p>So even with your scenario it is way more expensive. And I even assumed that a PC would last 7 years <b>with only video card upgrades</b>; which is impossible. Face it, even over time it is not cheaper. The reason why is that the initial purchase price is a lot higher than the console, and a $250 video card costs as much as a console (Wii or almost an Xbox 360 Arcade) and you keep buying it over and over.</p>
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		<title>By: alpha</title>
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		<dc:creator>alpha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Actually there are video cards with greater than 48 shader units. The lowest end cards with greater than 48 units are 8800GT or a 9600GT. The higher end ATI R600-based units have greater than 48 units as well.&quot;

Actually there aren&#039;t any cards with more then 32 pixel pipelines currently on the market.  The reason is because there is a newer technology and it is now measured as &quot;Streaming Processors&quot; The X360 is already behind in technology.

&quot;That isn’t a super system either, 2GB of RAM, 8800GT video card.&quot;
But for the price of $1500 plus a $250 card upgrade, we are still around the price of a console for 5-6 years.  And no &quot;Techconsumer&quot; will be buying a pre-built computer.

I think your article lacks depth.  Two bad gaming experiences out of the 1000&#039;s of games on the market doesn&#039;t equate to more then a personal preference or experience. Obviously this isn&#039;t enough to support your premise.  And as I have already pointed out time and time again, Over time PC&#039;s are more cost effective then consoles, but obviously not as convenient or easy as a console - but both have had problems, PC obviously has had more because there are more PC&#039;s , and more game titles for PC.  But I would love to see factual information, research, or anything that isn&#039;t personal experience and preference only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually there are video cards with greater than 48 shader units. The lowest end cards with greater than 48 units are 8800GT or a 9600GT. The higher end ATI R600-based units have greater than 48 units as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually there aren&#8217;t any cards with more then 32 pixel pipelines currently on the market.  The reason is because there is a newer technology and it is now measured as &#8220;Streaming Processors&#8221; The X360 is already behind in technology.</p>
<p>&#8220;That isn’t a super system either, 2GB of RAM, 8800GT video card.&#8221;<br />
But for the price of $1500 plus a $250 card upgrade, we are still around the price of a console for 5-6 years.  And no &#8220;Techconsumer&#8221; will be buying a pre-built computer.</p>
<p>I think your article lacks depth.  Two bad gaming experiences out of the 1000&#8242;s of games on the market doesn&#8217;t equate to more then a personal preference or experience. Obviously this isn&#8217;t enough to support your premise.  And as I have already pointed out time and time again, Over time PC&#8217;s are more cost effective then consoles, but obviously not as convenient or easy as a console &#8211; but both have had problems, PC obviously has had more because there are more PC&#8217;s , and more game titles for PC.  But I would love to see factual information, research, or anything that isn&#8217;t personal experience and preference only.</p>
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